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	<title>Comments on: Coldplay vs. Joe Satriani ::  Who Owns the Descending Melody?</title>
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		<title>By: JOE BOB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JOE BOB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 19:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HOLY FUCKING  SHIT AND I WAS HELPING JOE SATRIANI!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Ryan Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 06:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Michael Gregory&#039;s song and video about it all: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyNN4LFsW74&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyNN4LFsW74&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:right; margin-left:10px; display:block; margin-top:-20px;; width:40px' ><img alt='' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/00de57fc2823c2c287f46108aa0400ae?s=40&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif%3Fs%3D40&amp;r=PG' class='avatar avatar-40 photo' height='40' width='40' /></span>I like Michael Gregory&#8217;s song and video about it all: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyNN4LFsW74" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyNN4LFsW74</a></p>
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		<title>By: Darren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 19:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok.. this is ridiculous..
basically its money grab attempt from a washed up guitarist.
good luck with your gold digging Joe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:right; margin-left:10px; display:block; margin-top:-20px;; width:40px' ><img alt='' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/f0af7034c779d455c686bbe813d23e41?s=40&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif%3Fs%3D40&amp;r=PG' class='avatar avatar-40 photo' height='40' width='40' /></span>ok.. this is ridiculous..<br />
basically its money grab attempt from a washed up guitarist.<br />
good luck with your gold digging Joe.</p>
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		<title>By: hal2000</title>
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		<dc:creator>hal2000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 06:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;it reminds me of &quot;honesty&quot; by billy joel. a much less cheesy song. also check out the beginning chord to &quot;a hard day&#039;s night&quot; it&#039;s the same as the ENDING chord in &quot;people are strange&quot; by the doors (sans the glissando). also, in a chase scene in the movie &quot;dirty harry&quot; lalo schiffrin  does a rhythmic guitar passage that seems to have been used by led zepplin in &quot;the immigrant song&quot; or vice versa.</description>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">it reminds me of &#8220;honesty&#8221; by billy joel. a much less cheesy song. also check out the beginning chord to &#8220;a hard day&#8217;s night&#8221; it&#8217;s the same as the ENDING chord in &#8220;people are strange&#8221; by the doors (sans the glissando). also, in a chase scene in the movie &#8220;dirty harry&#8221; lalo schiffrin  does a rhythmic guitar passage that seems to have been used by led zepplin in &#8220;the immigrant song&#8221; or vice versa.</p>
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		<title>By: mofo</title>
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		<dc:creator>mofo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 03:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>excellent work dude--please keep updating as appropriate.

&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;btw, I understand the above-poster&#039;s Louie, Louie post, but fyi &amp; fwiw, the Miami Herald years ago did an article showing that the three-note sequence opening up Louie, Louie came from a Cuban cha-cha arranged &amp; played by Rene Touzet, which makes sense since the sequence is a pretty literal quote from Guantanamera, the unofficial Cuban Nat&#039;l song.  Couldn&#039;t find the article, but Wikipedia confirms, &amp; I did find this Rene Touzet youtube &quot;History of Louie, Louie&quot;:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EerYrT-5VVc&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EerYrT-5VVc&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;thnxs again wnu--this is my first visit here; I&#039;m an aficionado and (very) amateur musicologist, not a musician.</description>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">btw, I understand the above-poster&#8217;s Louie, Louie post, but fyi &amp; fwiw, the Miami Herald years ago did an article showing that the three-note sequence opening up Louie, Louie came from a Cuban cha-cha arranged &amp; played by Rene Touzet, which makes sense since the sequence is a pretty literal quote from Guantanamera, the unofficial Cuban Nat&#8217;l song.  Couldn&#8217;t find the article, but Wikipedia confirms, &amp; I did find this Rene Touzet youtube &#8220;History of Louie, Louie&#8221;:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EerYrT-5VVc" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EerYrT-5VVc</a></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">thnxs again wnu&#8211;this is my first visit here; I&#8217;m an aficionado and (very) amateur musicologist, not a musician.</p>
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		<title>By: wnu</title>
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		<dc:creator>wnu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 21:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve got it exactly, faimous.  Stay tuned for a followup.</description>
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		<title>By: faimous</title>
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		<dc:creator>faimous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 21:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;We&#039;ll now it gets interesting. In papers issued to the courts on monday Coldplay DO NOT deny access or even lifting from Joes song. They say &quot; the similarities are so little ,that damages are not warranted &quot; and that Joes song &quot;lacks originality and therefore not subjected to copyright&quot;.Which is along the lines of the article above.In copyright  law you can only go for the melody unless the chord structure is the melody ( smoke on the water) basically what you hum after hearing the song. Joes is claiming &quot;substantial portions were used&quot; but that seems a bit exaggerated .Joes and Coldplays melodies  are very similar but not exact as people are stating. Same at the beginning ,different in the middle, same at the end.Enough though to call them &quot;strikingly similar&quot;. Identical circumstances in a  the case ( baxter v MCA)  resulted in the finding from a jury  along the lines of&quot; although we believe artist A copied from artist B.we believe that the piece in question is in the public domain therefore not protected by copyright.&quot;the guy got off. In this case that would be Coldplay. 
&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;What that means , if there are enough examples of that melody out there ( and we have plenty of examples so far) Joe cannot lay claim to it  as can no one else .It is then deemed &quot;in the public domain&quot; and free for all to use. If presedense is any thing to go by Coldplay are home free .</description>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">We&#8217;ll now it gets interesting. In papers issued to the courts on monday Coldplay DO NOT deny access or even lifting from Joes song. They say &#8221; the similarities are so little ,that damages are not warranted &#8221; and that Joes song &#8220;lacks originality and therefore not subjected to copyright&#8221;.Which is along the lines of the article above.In copyright  law you can only go for the melody unless the chord structure is the melody ( smoke on the water) basically what you hum after hearing the song. Joes is claiming &#8220;substantial portions were used&#8221; but that seems a bit exaggerated .Joes and Coldplays melodies  are very similar but not exact as people are stating. Same at the beginning ,different in the middle, same at the end.Enough though to call them &#8220;strikingly similar&#8221;. Identical circumstances in a  the case ( baxter v MCA)  resulted in the finding from a jury  along the lines of&#8221; although we believe artist A copied from artist B.we believe that the piece in question is in the public domain therefore not protected by copyright.&#8221;the guy got off. In this case that would be Coldplay.
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<p style="text-align: justify;">What that means , if there are enough examples of that melody out there ( and we have plenty of examples so far) Joe cannot lay claim to it  as can no one else .It is then deemed &#8220;in the public domain&#8221; and free for all to use. If presedense is any thing to go by Coldplay are home free .</p>
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		<title>By: Plagiaat van plagiaat van plagiaat &#124; Deurdriever Weblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Plagiaat van plagiaat van plagiaat &#124; Deurdriever Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 12:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] meer, klik hier.        Categoriën: Muziek   Auteur: Marrek Laatst Gewijzigd: 08 Apr 2009 @ 01 59 PM Permalink     [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Castille</title>
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		<dc:creator>Castille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 11:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this one pre-dates Satriani&#039;s song as well: Alizee - J&#039;en Ai Marre</description>
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		<title>By: Billy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 07:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;Soon, someone will figure out that Hang On Sloopy and LaBamba and Louie Louie and Twist and Shout all ripped off some old guy playing in the Delta circa 1940.</description>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">Soon, someone will figure out that Hang On Sloopy and LaBamba and Louie Louie and Twist and Shout all ripped off some old guy playing in the Delta circa 1940.</p>
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